One tiny little tidbit, then I'm headin' for the hills!

What do you suppose all of the families that have lost members to gang violence would say when you tell them that it really wasn't a modified AK, or an Ouzi used in that particular drive-by?

Part of it is set to expire on 31 December 2005. This will give "Congress and the public the chance to evaluate how law enforcement exercised some of its broad new powers and to decide whether the serious reduction of American privacy and civil liberties enacted by USAPA was worthwhile."

Sunset Provision

zzzzzzzz zzzzzzzz

Geez I go to work and come home and we are on gun control....Can abortion and religion be far behind....

Wesley Clarke was fired from his NATO command...Seems like a nice enough man and a smart enough guy...He could be a shill for Hillary however.

"Wesley Clarke was fired from his NATO command"

..for having the balls to disagree when appropriate...

I like him even more now...

Clark and his wife are good friends with the Clintons, but that didn't save him from being fired from the SACEUR -- Supreme Allied Commander, Europe job. Clark was fired not by the Clintons, but by then Defense Secretary Bill Cohen. Clark got cross-wise with Cohen for routinely going to Clinton around both Cohen and then-Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Hugh Shelton. He did this all the time both indirectly -- through his pal Madeleine the Short -- and directly on the phone and in person with Clinton. Clark was such a publicity hound, that Cohen once ordered a subordinate, "Tell Clark to get his f#$%^&g face off television." Cohen, no small ego himself, thought Clark was hogging the camera.

Clark was fired because of his overweening ego and because he -- like so many others -- misjudged Clinton. He might have thought he could get away with what he was doing going around Cohen and Shelton, that Lil' Billy would protect him. So Clark was fired and to no one's surprise (except perhaps Clark's) Clinton didn't protect him. Now, the Clintons are using Clark again.

...source...

not the Guardian and not Rush Limbaugh...Matt Drudge's website I think...I noted the source on the other thread...the firing is fact the reasons are opinion...

Here's an opinion on Clark from a war correspondent that was in Serbia during the war. He doesn't speak too kindly of the general.

Frisk interview

As a caveat, the reason Clark was fired by Cohen was because he didn't approve of the Pentagon's insistance of an aerial campaign. He felt the Serbs were too entrenched to simply win by bombing. So he bypassed Shelton and Cohen and got authorization to use more ground forces.

It proved to be the right tactical manuever, but ultimately cost him his job.

Its a he said she said deal! you choose who to believe..

Look where this came from- * Robert Fisk, Middle East correspondent for the London Independent . Speaking from Baghdad.

"Matt Drudge's website"

you mean Mr. unbiased himself?

I'm sorry, I must have missed the memo. Could someone please post the list of approved correspondents, pundits, and news sources.

I've already read Drudge and have a hard time getting by all the name calling, sarcasm, and innuendos to find any new facts.

Here you go Harley, some of Grandpa's official list:

Sean Hannity
Ann Coulter
Bill O'Reilly
Michael Savage

"Fair and balanced" Who could ask for more?

4Salt, Harley and H2O's list:

Mao Tse Tung
Che Guevera
Fidel Castro
James Carvill
Hitler
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Ted Kennedy
Kim Jung Il
Osama Bin Laden
Sadam Hussein
Howard Dean
Mad Magazine
Village Voice
Huckleberry Hound
Barney
Al Franken

Hey, grandpa, I gotta thank you. I'd never read any of Carville's stuff, but since you posted that I went and did some research. I found this that he wrote:

Pretty damn good point he made. Especially since Coulter herself made such a big deal about the US handling the Japanese occupation, alone without any support, unlike the European occupation.

So following Coulter's lead we really should investigate the president for a lack of plan.

..you forgot 'High Times' dude...

and 'The Stranger'...

Let me just point out again that the whole point of this thread was to see how the usual suspects try to tear him down...

"I am going to love what the haters have to say about this limp wristed, birkenstock wearing, pot smoking communist...."

...ahem...

grandpa-

The only rocks you could manage to find for ammo were someone elses opinions, pretty weak stuff really.

For god's sake man, keep those communist references coming...you DO realize that every one is a black arrow of death to YOUR credibility, don't you? Trying to paint me as some sort of left-wing political whacko might be fun for you gramps, a good way to pass the time while the 'ol teeth soak I suppose....

...but to any one of the few members of this board that actually do know me that idea is preposterous and absurd.


If the right was smart, they would quit trying to paint everyone that has questions about the war as unamerican.

...luckily though, I don't think they are going to be smart enough to figure how important that will be come election time.

We'll see, won't we?

Not looking for credibility H2O.....Not here anyway.

Either way...continue to schill for your party in absolutely the most disrespectful way possible.......please?

Alienating 'the moderates' is a losing campaign strategy....

If I can alienate you (H2O), 4Salt, and Harley I have succeeded!!!

Your opinions all make me laugh out loud.